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A warning not to change systems that work.

In 1988 a word processing program called "Professional Write" was loaded on our computers. We did all our work in PW. We made templates allowing us to run off long forms in which we would "Find & Replace" "Name" with the client's name, so we never had to type any but the most unusual document.

We saved our work on Floppy Disks, and as time progressed, on hard drives, which would be copied to floppy disks, for as you know, Floppies do not last long. Each year a secretary would use the DOS command, Xcopy, and with a brand new box of diskettes, get everything saved in the "Precedent" section of the Hard Drive onto floppies.

As the world went from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 we stayed in DOS, buying new "naked" handmade computers for a fraction of the cost, loading them with DOS and Professional Write, making a Directory for our Precedents, and feeding floppy by floppy into the new computer.

Soon enough we began to burn CDs of our work so that every single computer that came in our office from 1988 until 1999 had a cloned harddrive. Each new computer processed faster, had more storage and move places to plug things in, but there never was a "work" holiday.

The computer arrived, was plugged in, and a secretary installed DOS and Professional Write and made a directory called "Precedents" and either fed it diskettes or a CD. Though our laptops came pre-bloated, we would use the little facility to load our Professional Write, fling an Icon on the desktop.

If we needed Internet accessibility on a computer, we made a D drive, loaded Linux. One day, it was decided to hire an "IT Expert". He examined our systems, made many unpleasant remarks, and during our two week Christmas break, "upgraded" and everyone walked in to find XP on their computers.

There was no Professional Write and this genius imperiously telling the staff they had to learn to use new and modern word processing programs. One of the things that many IT geniuses never take into consideration is the key factor in our world; our work.

We don't have computers in our office to play Spider Solitaire visit You Tube or My Space, we have them to produce documents.

This Genius never thought we would have twenty years of precedents which could only be read in Professional Write, nor that the staff had used this incredibly simple program to great efficiency. As far as he knew, XP was "state of the art", (this is before Vista) and the world had to use whatever word processing program came in the bundle. His idea was that the office was extremely eccentric, compulsive retentive and that it was time for us to Move On.

When clearly instructed that there was twenty years of work we needed to keep, his voice got squeaky, and he muttered, 'oh'. I recount this story with all its gory details to give you enough fortitude to confront all those shills who try to get you to upgrade to unproductivity. This is because of a major disconnect between the Work and the Process.

Managers know what work they need done, even clerks know what they have to do, the IT genius has no idea. He doesn't realise a lawyer's office which deals with fusty old Writs and Petitions doesn't need sound nor graphic nor games, all it needs to do is produce documents. If your system is working, don't touch it. Don't buy prebloated computers unless you can F/Disk and load what you've been using successfully all these years.?

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Comments (33)
#1 by Ann Nonymis, Oct 10, 2007
I know exactly what you are talking about. At my office,
for two weeks nothing could be done with the new 'System'.
#2 by G3, Oct 11, 2007
As an IT guy who deals with said geniuses often I can resonate with this story a whole bunch. Those IT guys who think new=better are a shame to our profession.
#3 by Randy J., Oct 11, 2007
Great story! If it's not broken, don't fix it.
#4 by Chim, Oct 11, 2007
Coming from enterprise level IT environments, it's always the older legacy systems that take longest, and cost the most to migrate to something compatible with modern systems.

If they had simply spent a little a few years ago, they wouldn't be in the mess so many are today.

I can understand the mentaility to stick with things that work, but at some point, you have to embrace something more modern before the move is impossible, and you lose the ability to migrate at all, leaving your systems incompatible with anything else, an no way to move all of that hard work you have gathered.
#5 by Alex, Oct 11, 2007
I agree with the statement above, but migration is inevitable. Sure now, and maybe even 5 years from now everything will be fine but after that, who knows, and maybe then it will be impossible to fix. Say years from know a new processor architecture comes out, SCSI and ISA get replaced, fiber optic is standard for networking, then what? At this point you can no longer use your old software on any hardware you purchase, and furthermore, it's far too late to migrate over. In the short run, yes, it's efficient, but in the long run it's going to cause serious problems.
#6 by A. Fool, Oct 11, 2007
I find the reasoning of Alex and Chim problematic. If one purchases hand built computers which have naked harddrives,
no matter the speed of the processors or capacity, the
program will work.

If Hard drives are replaced by memory sticks, the program
will work because one is not dealing with a 'fully loaded'
device in which modifications need to be made to have the
older program read.

Further, the option with Professional Write is that one can
save text in ASCII with .txt or .rtf extension and it can
be read by anything; even converted to html.

As Professional Write can not be read in its 'normal' form
the encryption is valuable to an attorney's office as without
PW to translate the files can not be read.







#7 by rpgfan3233, Oct 11, 2007
>If one purchases hand built computers which have naked harddrives,
>no matter the speed of the processors or capacity, the program
>will work.
I disagree. In an age where hard drives could be slow, the program may have depended upon certain "features" of the HDDs of the day. Not only that, but if the technology the printer used is obsolete and can't be found anymore, that makes printing harder than it needs to be.

While I agree with the "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" philosophy, there is a time limit added to that idea when working with computers. It is unfortunate, but true.
#8 by A. Fool, Oct 11, 2007
It is a DOS based W/P program. It is about 780kb. Speed has
nothing to do with it. It doesn't depend on speed. The printer
problem is live, and only certain printers work, that is true,
but those are the printers which give you a lot of control.

Further, the fact that the files are naturally encrypted is the
major plus. To print a document it is child's play to save it in
ASCII as a .rtf and bring it up in either Linux or Windows.

As you know ASCII can be read by both OS
#9 by Well Um Er, Oct 13, 2007
Here's how I read this scenario: the people who write the checks at this company decided that they needed the IT expert you callously dismiss - because you certainly weren't responding to their needs. Then, no one told this person anything important - like the fact that he would have to either port or support a legacy program. Perhaps you were intentionally uncooperative. Then you got all pissy when this person didn't read your mind. Your methods are too far out of sync with the rest of the universe at this point. If you get hit by a bus on the way to work, do you think your replacement is going to even know what Profession Write is?
#10 by A. Fool, Oct 13, 2007
Most of the CEOs etc. don't know anything about the systems, or how
the work is done. They are solicited by hard sell eggs spurts who
make it seem, as a few posters here have done, that the world will
end if they don't 'upgrade' because the program won't work.

I heard this from those pushing '95 and we weathered the storm.
I heard it again, from those pushing '98, and we weathered
the storm, with XP we have been going just fine until the new
'weak link' who doesn't know a micro chip from a potato chip
made the decision.

Every one who works at the office, from the most basic secretary
who has never seen a computer, to the most experience can deal
with the program because it is so simple.
#11 by Aka Zero, Oct 14, 2007
I am an anti microsoft guy for most stuff. And an IT guy.

I think new hardware = better, but not always software. I like the simplicity of your system, even if it is "outdated" I would take it any day over the new completely redesigned "easier to use" MS Office.

If it worked then for the job, it can work now. There may be new hammers, but an old one can still hit a nail.
#12 by James D. Newman, Oct 14, 2007
In defense of the IT guy, it sounds like the manager of your office is a very lazy person. First of all, it sounds like the resources under their control were never properly accounted for. Secondly it sounds like no clear job description was provided -- or if there was one, it wasn't communicated to both the staff and to IT.

There are a lot of reasons to upgrade (I don't mean that it is always a good idea -- but maybe management wanted wireless ports that customers coming to the office could easily log on too or something.)

But finally, letting a few lazy people who don't want to learn industry standard programs (weather OpenOffice or Microsoft or whatever) drag an office that has to interact with the public into obsolescence is just silly.

The point of word processing software is communication -- if you can't read other peoples documents and they can't read yours, then you have a problem weather you recognize it in the limited scope of your job or not.

That being said -- if your computers were upgraded without your IT guy having permission, I hope you fired him on the spot. It sounds like you guys put him in a bad situation, but that doesn't give him the right to be careless with your data.
#13 by grazhopa, Oct 14, 2007
whether or not the IT was right or wrong isnt really an issue. if your documents werent compatible with modern software you cant have been dealing with any other companies. i cant recall the last time i sent ANYTHING in hard copy - let alone the trouble it causes when i or an outside party have the audacity to use a piece of software i dont have access to. the biggest pain in the bum i have ever struck is a contractor who only worked in software so old we could no longer save files back for him to use. guess what. we dont give him work anymore.
#14 by A. Fool, Oct 14, 2007
First; the computer is naked. There is no pre-bloated stuff
on it. It is loaded with DOS and Professional Write in
the C drive, it has Linux in the D drive.

Second; All documents filed in a Court House have to be
black ink on white paper. The fonts have to be basic ones
or the Court will reject it. You can print it on a dot
matrix printer. If you have to print this document on
a 'state of the Art' only works with Microsoft laser
printer, I can save the document in ASCII, open it in
Linux and print it on the 'Microsoft ONLY' printer.

What w/p program was used to print a document doesn't
make a single bit of difference.

The Article you are reading was typed in Professional
Write. It was uploaded using Firefox.

Apparently, James D. Newman has been able to read
a document typed in Professional Write as evidenced
by his response above.

Grazhopa; filing documents in Court are hard copy.
They are typed and stapled or tagged together.
The judge holds them in his hand.

Aka Zero, I am with you. That is exactly the point.
It is funny how so many 'IT' people think IT is
Microsoft and whatever Uncle Billy decides we should
use; Sieg Heil!
#15 by A. Fool, Oct 14, 2007
Without emulating your rudeness, The IT guy, we use Professional
Write and have used it for twenty years, and probably will continue
for the next twenty years. No, I'm sorry, we don't do Microsoft
in my office.

Unlike you and rest of the Gatesware Borg we will not be assimliated
and REsistence is Not futile.

You can't get your mind around a naked hard drive, can you? I mean
the mere idea that someone could actually format a whole harddrive
is incredible, isn't it? Have you ever done that? Format a naked
harddrive...it is so simple my secretary can do it blindfolded and
she has never seen a computer until she came to work for me.

Once you are dealing with a naked harddrive you control what goes
on it. I am answering you, using Professional Write. I will now
add my response.

Gee....it looks just like yours, using the Holy Microsoft!

Further, since security is important in the offices of Attorneys,
encryption is vital. Saving your confession to a murder in
Word would make it available to any fourteen year old hacker.
Saving it in Professional Write makes it virtually bullet proof.
But I guess you never thought of that, did you?

I wouldn't care if I had written a post about hydroponic systems
on Mars, then you can speculate and argue. I'm writing about
something we use successfully and have used for twenty years.

#16 by IT guy, Oct 14, 2007
So what car do you drive? Do you drive a car that was built 50 years?
Do you get mad when your city fixes the bridges where you live in?
Do you flip out when you see a building is being gutted because of Asbestos poisoning?
Do you scream in agony when you see new hybrid cars on the road?

Tell me .. what do you do in those situations??
#17 by A. Fool, Oct 14, 2007
Let's suppose you were a handy sort of guy and built a car.
You decided what you wanted, and you built the car.

You selected an engine and the upholstery, and painted it
the way you wanted.

You drive around in your car. It drives smooth, no problems.
If you need a gprs, you buy a little pocket one. You fit
a catalystic converter. You do a little reading on
ethanol and can make the modifications when ethanol
becomes more available.

And some guy, driving a Ford, starts to tell you about
your car.

Now you've been driving it for twenty years. Anything
goes wrong, you can fix it. you built it.

The guy is telling you about old fashioned, legacy, and
how that style of hood went out twenty years ago, or
the bumpers don't look as cute as his bumpers.

And you try to explain to the guy, you built this.
You don't have any problems driving it.

But this guy, who is so totally plugged into Detroit
who has to change his car every eighteen months, is
telling you what to do.

Tell me...what do you do in that situation?
#18 by hobs, Oct 14, 2007
I think you blew this totally out of proportion, maybe if the guy knew your goal instead of how old your systems were, he wouldn't be making random changes.

As they say, garbage in, garbage out.
#19 by cloud9ine, Oct 15, 2007

I half-agree with A.Fool and half-disagree..

I'm a WinXP adopter, love Office 2003, but I avoid Vista and Office 2007 like the plague.

When my company 'upgrades' to these standards, I'll probably get my personal computer and keep working on my own versions of these.

My company just did a series of system upgrades together - (peoplesoft, SCM and ordering system, Equipment Databasing Platform, Project management and spec delivery system) - and in short, everything is broken together.

Upgrade, yes, but upgrade to simplicity, and to requirements. As to the IT guy finding out about the legacy docs only after the fact, shows error in judgement on both his part and whoever was the PoC in your organization for him, giving him the FRs.

Point is, if everything was fine as it was, why was the 'expert' hired? Can't fault him for assuming someone wanted changes, and taking action for the same.
#20 by Rob, Oct 15, 2007
What would happen to all of your 20 years of data if the hardware fails?
If you are using hardware that is 20 years old you cannot find easy replacements for that. Most hardware components will not last forever, you are lucky if you haven't had major hardware failures, if you haven't.
Particularly hard drives, if one of those fails you may just find yourself missing a decent chunk of data.
#21 by The IT Guy, Oct 15, 2007
All right, A. Fool, I wont be too upset that you assumed I use 'Office' products on my equipment, after all, you DO use that trash known as 'Professional Write'. I dont use "office", I use OPEN OFFICE, which is free, and NOT part of the 'assimilation'.

You should google it, you might be surprised how sad your company sounds to the Internet right now.

#22 by A. Fool, Oct 15, 2007
Open Office, which I'd tried under Mandrake is a busy
little open source prog. Professional Write, which you
have never seen nor used, is easier.

BTW, did I mention one can save as ASCII?
Do you know what that is?
You can google that.
#23 by Humble IT guy, Oct 16, 2007
A. Fool, I have no problem with your office using legacy software. As an IT guy myself for my customers (yes, to me they are customers and are usually correct when it comes to their systems) I agree with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" adage. Why use software with the latest bells if all you need is a simple word processing program that has the ability to print to a hard copy. The beauty of most dot matrix line printers is that they don't need drivers to run unlike all the new M$ compatible printers.

When I do business for myself under the auspices of my personal consulting company I always make a point of asking my customer what their needs / wants are and then I tailor their new systems to them.

You are correct that games and youtube have no place in an office environment. Last time I check it is called work and not play. The only things that should be needed are the programs that get your job done. If you are only producing legal documents that are going to be printed out on legal forms then why should you use a bloated "office productivity suite" that takes more time to format everything to the way you need it?
#24 by A. Fool, Oct 16, 2007
Precisely Humble IT Guy! I've seen secretaries waiting for their
computers to start up; usually turn on, go to the bathroom, come
back and it should just be ready. Then point and click and then
set up, and then do the work.

With my system, turn on computer, (autoexec.bat brings up PW)
press enter, start to type. It doesn't take thirty seconds.

I can type a statement as you speak, and then print it and hand
it to you to sign in the time I've taken to type this sentence.

With the templates created in 1988 I can do your divorce petition
while you drink a cup of coffee and hand it to you before you are
finished.

One can't do that with systems which are developed to over option and developed to be 'smarter' than the user or printers which
need to translate, save, then direct a printer, with all the unnecessary 'options' needing to be decided upon.

While my client is leaving the office, the client of the M$ Borg
has not yet been able to sign his statement, and has to come back next week to read over and sign his divorce.

By that time my petition has already been served and the matter
set down for hearing.

#25 by Rob, Oct 17, 2007
So back to the hardware failing, sure you have it backed up, but if the problem is that its not compatible with newer hardware and software then you will have some huge problems if most of your hardware begins to fail. Your best bet would be to upgrade now while the old hardware is still working because being able to access the data in its original format will speed the conversion process.
Its likely that given a bit of time your tech person should be able to write some application which will allow you to convert the data in the old files to a format that is compatible with the newer software.
#26 by a fool, Oct 17, 2007
the hardware is new, the o.s. is old. We have hand made
computers, we load them. C has the Dos and prof. write, D
had Linux.

When we need to transmit something, we type it in Professional
write, save it with a .rtf extention and as ASCII. We go over
to Linux, and we bring it up and send it.

Our stuff is totally secure.

What I have to do at the office, since the techie in his confusion destroyed our DOS is to pop in a CD, make a boot
floppy, then go back in and f/disk and load DOS and Professional
Write, then pop in Linux, which will Partition the HD.
#27 by a fool, Oct 17, 2007
the hardware is new, the o.s. is old. We have hand made
computers, we load them. C has the Dos and prof. write, D
had Linux.

When we need to transmit something, we type it in Professional
write, save it with a .rtf extention and as ASCII. We go over
to Linux, and we bring it up and send it.

Our stuff is totally secure.

What I have to do at the office, since the techie in his confusion destroyed our DOS is to pop in a CD, make a boot
floppy, then go back in and f/disk and load DOS and Professional
Write, then pop in Linux, which will Partition the HD.
#28 by a fool, Oct 17, 2007
the hardware is new, the o.s. is old. We have hand made
computers, we load them. C has the Dos and prof. write, D
had Linux.

When we need to transmit something, we type it in Professional
write, save it with a .rtf extention and as ASCII. We go over
to Linux, and we bring it up and send it.

Our stuff is totally secure.

What I have to do at the office, since the techie in his confusion destroyed our DOS is to pop in a CD, make a boot
floppy, then go back in and f/disk and load DOS and Professional
Write, then pop in Linux, which will Partition the HD.
#29 by Todd, Oct 18, 2007
Oops, make that ctrl+p, heh. Got ahead of myself there, but alt-f-p works too.
#30 by Mangetout, Oct 19, 2007
Just out of curiosity. what version of DOS or Professional Write is hosting this web page?
#31 by A. Fool, Oct 19, 2007
I would assume that all posts are converted to html
before being uploaded onto whatever server this site
uses.

I would assume that Linux is the basic O.S. on the
server to prevent hacking.

On the computer I am currently using; professional write
is loaded on my C drive, and I have an icon on the desktop.

After I type and save the document, I exit Professional
Write, bring up Firefox, log on to the site. To Upload
the file there is a 'browse' window.

This particular computer happens to be running XP.
On others using Linux, I do the same thing; that is,
locate the directory where I saved the file, and
click on it, and it is uploaded.

As Professional Write is a Word Processing program
it would not be capable of hosting a web page any
more than Open Office or Word.

As DOS was never created to be a 'mainframe' language,
even in the earliest days it would not be used on a
'mainframe', UNIX would be.


#32 by I dunnow, Nov 19, 2007
I see both sides, but A. Fool you use some bad arguing points, such as Professional Write is secure... bad point because it is not secure.

A quick web search will reveal the following..
Professional Write does not feature a secure encryption algorithm and passwords can easily be recovered from any version of Professional Write

But, if it works for you, more power to you. the obvious problem is that while that set up may be efficient for you, it obviously isn't for everybody. The marketing department in my office couldn't run using DOS and dot matrix printers, they need resources that allow them to multi task and create media.

Actually, there isnt one department in my office that could run as effeciently using lesser systems than they already have. It may work for you, but you cant run a national corporation on DOS and Porfessional Write.

I am glad there are people out there that choose to run on very minimal budgets and systems. However eventually the legacy computers will cease to be available, and DOS, even with "stripped,naked" hard drives will not be able to run on more advanced system boards that will require drivers not supported in DOS.
#33 by a fool, Nov 20, 2007
This is the basic dichotomy between the IT department
and the substantive departments. Firstly, if you hacked
into my computer right now, you will never be able
to get to or read my PW files.

They will, in Windows look like jibberish, if you can
even get them to open; (which the latest versions of
darling Windows can not...) you can't open the file
in windows.

So 99.999% of the Borg can NOT even see the file
much less open it.

Further as you need Professional Write to Open
Professional Write...find a copy of it.
So that's security.

Second of all, 'running' a business or 'running' an
office, is a totally different concept from doing
the work.

Let us suppose you needed a summons to serve on
someone to attend court. That's what you needed.
It can't be full colour. It can't have all kinds
of esoteric fonts.

Let us draw a line between those who have an IT
expert who isn't a MCSE but an IT expert. The
server is running a flavour of Linux.

The accounting department is not connected to
the Internet. There are no modems of any shape
or form. Whatever is being used can not be
contacted by the other computers in the office
or any other computer to prevent the usual cyber
robberies that go on.

The data base, (if the company keeps one) has to
be on an especially secure machine that can be
viewed but not in anyway touched...so that is
running a flavour of Linux.

The legal department which does need connectivity
but can not be available to any of the other
sections is running PW.

This means that if one can connect to the the
computers in the legal department they can not
read what is contained there.

So the average business, successful business
may be running a number of different operating
systems in different sections of the business.

The average workers who have windows on their
computers connect to the database and view
everything in what seems to be I.E. however
the data base is held in a Linux box.

The clones who enter data use their happy
little XPs or whatever the Borg gave them
and the data goes to the computer running
Linux and is posted.

One without access can not change anything
in the db, because all posting is held until
the correct person logs on and verifies the
information.

this is very important as previously incorrect
information was spewing out at ever corner because
raw data was uploaded.

Hence, the most successful businesses use a number
of different OS, some actually having a programme
writen for them.

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